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CNN USING
1991 FOOTAGE of celebrating Palistinians to manipulate you
(english) by Marcio 10:32pm Wed Sep
12 '01 (Modified on 3:39pm Thu Sep 13 '01)
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I'd like to add some ideas from here, down south.
There's an important point in the power of press,
specifically the power of CNN.
All around the world we
are subjected to 3 or 4 huge news distributors, and one of
them - as you well know - is CNN. Very well, I guess all of
you have been seeing (just as I've been) images from this
company. In particular, one set of images called my
attencion: the Palestinians celebrating the bombing, out
on the streets, eating some cake and making funny faces
for the camera.
Well, THOSE IMAGES WERE SHOT BACK IN
1991!!! Those are images of Palestinians celebrating the
invasion of Kuwait! It's simply unacceptable that a
super-power of cumminications as CNN uses images which do
not correspond to the reality in talking about so serious an
issue.
A teacher of mine, here in Brazil, has
videotapes recorded in 1991, with the very same images;
he's been sending emails to CNN, Globo (the major TV
network in Brazil) and newspapers, denouncing what I myself
classify as a crime against the public opinion. If anyone
of you has access to this kind of files, serch for it. In
the meanwhile, I'll try to 'put my hands' on a copy of
this tape.
But now, think for a moment about the
impact of such images. Your people is hurt, emotionally
fragile, and this kind broadcast have very high
possibility of causing waves of anger and rage against
Palestinians. It's simply irresponsible to show images
such as those.
Finally, I'd like to say that we all
regret and condemn all that has happened in the last days;
but Nikos has a point here. I really don't want to be
misunderstood here, but the truth is that US government had
shown no respect for other countries in the last decades.
In the 60s and 70s they had halped lots of military coups
throughout the world (including Brazil in 64). Later, with
Reagan and Bush Father, the Washington Consensus have been
demolishing the bases of our economies, making us more and
more dependant (and, many of us, prehocupied with this
situation).
Your current president quickly made things
worse: Kioto Protocol, Star Wars, Colombia Plan, the
exchange of rain forest for pieces of external debt, tha
abandonment of the position of third party in negotiations
between IRA and England, and between Palestinians and
Israel. All those mistakes in US external politics made
your country more hatred than before, and, of course, more
vulnerable.
Listen, I'm NOT justifying the terrorist
actions that took place in your country; but it seems to
me that, if your leaders had come along another path of
thoughts and actions, you wouldn't be suffering what you are
now.
Best regards, and the hope that everything is
resolved for the best of all of us
Márcio A. V.
Carvalho State University of Campinas - Brazil
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This is
whatever you want (english) by chehotep
10:48pm Wed Sep 12 '01 |
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Dude dont bullshit yourself to death. Are you that stupid?
I guess you live in a world were you are deprived of making
money or a difference in your society. Dont be so stupid
because who knows, you could be hit next picking your nose in
a public place just minding your own business. They,re excuse
will be that your american.
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I want to
know more about this (english) by Diane
10:56pm Wed Sep 12 '01 |
schulz@saber.net
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This video footage IS STIRRING UP HATRED - I live in
relatively peaceful northern California and young people, even
the teenage kids,are commenting on how horrible the
Palestinians are to dance at the destruction. If this is true
then the news should leak out to as many places as you can
find. Propaganda needs to be exposed for what it is before our
damned "leadership" decides to use bombs again,as they do ad
nauseum. Please confirm this fact and send out something that
we can use as anti-propaganda. It is so hard to get the truth
here. Thank you for alerting us.
http://www.awakenedwoman.com/
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Amerika
(english) by . 11:02pm Wed Sep 12
'01 |
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We don't need such narrow-minded, white
supremacist-proud-to-be-american comments. Listen to this
fucking cop-military propaganda and enjoy.
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Marcio: can you see about possibly having these videos from
'91 digitized and put online somewhere? I'm sure those of us
here would love a good look at them. If it turns out that,
yes, CNN is using old footage for propaganda purposes... then
a scary new dimension would enter into what is already a
horrible, unnecessary mess.
platdragon.cjb.net
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Funny that you should tell the author of this article that
they could be hit while "minding your own business"; funny
because of what it reveals about your/our culture. "Minding
your own business" is a phrase generally meaning "innocent" or
"blameless". All the people in the World Trade Center were
certainly minding their own businesses. But is business so
innocent when it partners with regimes to destroy life and the
hope of future life - the lives of humans and the life of the
environment? Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children die every
year as the result of US sanctions - and I hardly think that
those children supported Saddam Hussein in any meaningful way
before their short lives were ended by malnourishment,
starvation, and disease. The blood is on many hands, mine
not excepted. I live a lifestyle highly dependent on fossil
fuels and the mass-produced objects made by slave labor from
resources extracted over the bodies of slain species and
tribes. I am a rat in a maze, looking for a way out for once
and for all, but having in the meantime to eat the cheese or
die. | |
I'm watching BBC World on my cable system in the US and
just saw the same celebration video that has been broadcast on
CNN and other US network sources. Since the video has been the
same, it's entirely possible that the original source for this
is CNN and others are (implicitly) complicit in the alleged
subterfuge.
This either validates the video as being
authentic to recent events or invalidates some of the
neutrality that has been assigning to the BBC elsewhere in
related indymedia articles compared to corporate US media
interests.
Don't get me wrong, thoughts of the
American film _Wag the Dog_ have constantly run through my
head to the way that the US media can and are manipulating the
public and are being manipulated by the US government. But
this one doesn't seem right to me.
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Even if this turns out to be true footage, can u blame the
Palestinians. A bush himself said this is an act of war. Then
as thew war has been going on for so long now is this one
victory for the Palestinians. It is quite likely that they r
not happy with the killing but could they be happy that t was
the imperial power that got attacked. That the war as finally
gone to the country which has killed so many of them. If im
correct in saying did the American ppl give their soldiers a
hero welcome back when they came back from the gulf. Is it not
the same | |
Either way
they're lying - thats thier job (english) by triple anon 1:27am Thu Sep 13
'01 |
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> If it turns out that, yes, CNN is using
old footage for propaganda purposes... then a scary new
dimension would enter into what is already a horrible,
unnecessary mess.
New ?
I've seen this
before, more times than I can keep track of, the mass media
using the most damning footage they have in thier archive then
carefully editing it to suit thier needs. Pig shows (like
COPS) use mostly old footage in exactly this way as "fill" to
keep the show moving (tales from the cutting room floor) and
victimize people JUST for the entertainment value... Notice
how they almost always "get thier man" ?, footage of people
getting away is edited out, they want us to think that we will
always lose when confronting them - statistics say otherwise !
So much in fact that new policies are in effect in
many areas now to NOT chase people fleeing because often the
COPS end up crashing (exposing them to lawsuits - thier only
*real* concern) and people end up dead over (what would of
been) a speeding ticket...
> That the war
as finally gone to the country which has killed so many of
them. If im correct in saying did the American ppl give their
soldiers a hero welcome back when they came back from the
gulf. Is it not the same
Exactly ! It's just a
matter of perspective - millions of poor children and
victimized people being killed - hero's treatment...
A
few kids happy for a slight break in thier genoside - horrible
!
CNN - BBC are nothing more than a part of the
propaganda machine, they twist reality as they go to mold our
attitudes. BBC is especially sneaky about it - adding a slight
element of truth to make it seem believable, so more people
will swallow it, and it pisses me off to see people *dumb
enough* to fall for it and *post thier propaganda on here*.
BBC has been officially reconized for years as a
propaganda arm of the government - what make them so pure now
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Simply Not
Substatial True (english) by Sage
1:49am Thu Sep 13 '01 |
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I can't state definitively that CNN hasn't shown old
footage, but if they did it has been used in an illustrative
manner because the PLO won't allow current footage out of the
occupied territories.
The AP has confirmed reports
that PLO security officers threatened the life of reporters
who filmed the current celebrations over the WTC bombing. The
AP has, so far, has not released the footage.
Yasser
has stirred hatred as much as the U.S. and now feels the heat.
WTC was clearly a huge military success but mid-east leaders
know the repercussion will be the most significant,
heavy-handed, long-lasting U.S. involvement in the mid-east
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I am a journalist in a greek radio station and I was very
interested in the article about the fake scenes of CNN showing
Palestinias in Israel celebrating after the terror attack in
New York.
I want to give to this new some extra
publicity, but I want to have some extra clues.
If
someone of you knows something about this story or has some
evidence that the scenes were from the archives of CNN, please
contact with me by e-mail.
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Sage:
If 1991 videos were intended to be used in an
"illustrative" manner, then the time the videos were recorded,
and the fact that they were file images, should have been
clearly stated on screen, by the anchor, or both. That's
simple journalistic ethics; you cite your sources. To run old
video as current events, with no mention of such use, is
dishonest, and if/when it is found out, only makes things
worse.
The images of the WTC and Pentagon, and the
reality of what occurred in those places, is enough to anger
millions. CNN doesn't need to make it worse by running false
footage. Again, I'd like a look at the videos Marcio's prof
has, to see for myself.
platdragon.cjb.net
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More excuses
and support for terrorism (english) by
Johnny America 3:34am Thu Sep 13 '01
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Marcio: So what? You whine about a video and make a claim
which may or may not be true. How about the confirmation and
apologies from the Palestinian foreign Ministers regarding
these celebrations? There are sick, brainwashed people who no
nothing of the US who hate us because the are weak followers.
Let them live here for a while without the stifling effect of
religious fanatacism and they would NEVER want to leave.
Unamerican Citizens: If you do not like it here...go
to Brazil. We are simply targets because we are the leader.
Leaders ALWAYS have people trying to take them down...it is
that way throughout human history. You fail to see that the US
is still the most free, most giving and compassionate country
on the Globe. Stop whining and do something positive for your
country and people! | |
Come On
(english) by Open Eyed 12:59pm Thu
Sep 13 '01 |
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Come on - fake footage. Let's get real here. Even the
palestains admit there were rallies and are trying to supress
further footage. They are a tyrannical entity with no freedom
and a bunch of hooligans. Even Ap had to protest as shown
below.
AP Protests Palestinian Threats To Freelance
Cameraman
JERUSALEM (AP)--The Associated Press on
Wednesday protested to the Palestinian Authority about threats
against a freelance cameraman who filmed Palestinians
celebrating terror attacks in the United States. The
videographer, on assignment for Associated Press Television
News, was summoned to a Palestinian Authority security office
and told that the material must not be aired. Calls in the
name of the Tanzim militia, an armed group associated with
Yasser Arafat's Fatah group, warned him he would be held
responsible and made what he interpreted as threats on his
life. Several Palestinian Authority officials spoke to AP
in Jerusalem urging that the material not be broadcast.
Ahmed Abdel Rahman, Arafat's Cabinet secretary, said the
Palestinian Authority "cannot guarantee the life" of the
cameraman if the footage was broadcast. The cameraman
then requested that the material not be aired. In light of the
danger, APTN has not released the footage of the rally in
Nablus. AP news stories reported worldwide on the
demonstration in Nablus and AP distributed still pictures
and video of similar rallies in east Jerusalem, Lebanon
and elsewhere. An AP still photographer did not take pictures
of the Nablus rally after being warned at the scene not to
do so. The protest by AP Chief of Bureau Dan Perry said,
"I ask the assurances of the Palestinian Authority that
you will protect our journalists from threats and attempts
at intimidation and that no harm would come to our freelance
cameraman from distribution of the film."
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Think About
It... (english) by Clark Crawford
3:39pm Thu Sep 13 '01 |
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America is far from perfect, but why is it that everyone os
always so quick to jump on the "evil America" bandwagon and
point out all the things we have done wrong in the world but
no one ever mentions all the good things we do? THink about
it. Everytime there is a major disaster in the world like an
earthquake or what have you we are the first to send money,
supplies and people. Yet when is the last time you heard about
some other country coming to our assistance? You likely
haven't becasue I have been an AMerican for 27 years and to my
knowledge it's never happened. I see footage (not from 1991)
of Egyptians dancing in the streets, celebrating our
misfortune and I've got to tell you, it doesn't make me feel
too good knowing that close to 75 million dollars in American
tax payer dollars go to Egypt each year in the form of aid.
Sure it's easy to pick on the big guy, but if America took an
isolationst view of foreign policy and quit helping people
out, there would be a lot of people reevaluating their opinion
of America. My guess is, if the handouts quit, a lot of you
would realize that we do contribute an awful lot. If it
weren't for "Big Bully America" the whole of Western Europe
would be speaking German. Think about it.
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